Curse

cup-o-noodles · Jul 14, 2005, 12:37 PM // 12:37

This game is losing my interest, pretty fastly. First off, i noticed the huge nerfs, and they suck.(although if you play in pre searing it isn't like that, i just was playing a new char, and I got a drop every time, and mostly loot) And the rest if mostly becuase i just made it past the mission after the wilds. Meaning, I'm really feeling the grind of this game now. People in partys are getting worse and worse. And omg...the last two missions......we got so lost, it took forever, and we didn't even get to the bonus's.(Yeah I know, poor me, wah wah wah) But this whole nerf thing is pissing me off. It's hard to make money now a days. So how in the heck am I going to buy stuff I might need. I even had to rezone on the price of steel mission becuase the mobs wouldn't drop enough decayed amour or what ever you need to finish that one.

suzumebachi · Jul 14, 2005, 12:40 PM // 12:40

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Originally Posted by cup-o-noodles

I even had to rezone on the price of steel mission becuase the mobs wouldn't drop enough decayed amour or what ever you need to finish that one.

See? Now.. THAT... is just downright F'ed up. I'd DEFINATELY submit that to ANet support. Seriously.

LaMort · Jul 14, 2005, 12:44 PM // 12:44

What I fail to understand is the backward logic to the reasons for the ongoing nerfs.

By making drops scarcer they are probably turning away the casual farmer but not the career farmers, using bots, who sell on ebay. The guys sat in the far east "virtual sweatshops" will most likey benefit from these nerfs. As the prices are climbing higher, the value of their "wares" on ebay will go up and also seem a more attractive proposition to a larger audience of players who are finding it harder to get the equipment they need.

So the end effect is the casual player working his way through the game to forward his/her character is losing out on the rewards for their endeavors, while the bots are finding a larger market place for gold/items.

The nerfing does help kerb inflation (not every Joe has 50K+ now), but I think ANet need to look at the exaggerated high values they do put on, the now, very rare must have items or change the demand (quantity needed) of these items in the market place.

cup-o-noodles · Jul 14, 2005, 12:49 PM // 12:49

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Originally Posted by LaMort

The nerfing does help kerb inflation (not every Joe has 50K+ now)

Yeah and now hardly anyone will!

But then maybe Anet is trying to make this game as real as posible. Would you expect a cow to a gold sword, or 300 dollors on him?

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 12:52 PM // 12:52

Yeah but you see there's the problem, if I gave a damn how much money a cow would drop in real life when I killed him I'd go ask a butcher if the cows leave him any tips. I don't play games to be poor, I play games to enjoy myself in ways I can't in real life. And when I've run out of the normal way of doing it (beating the game) there has to be something else. Which is why they put the 15k/fissure/dyes in there, so that people can go buy these optional items once they've beaten the game.

Just a shame I can't afford anymore.

Van the Warrior · Jul 14, 2005, 12:59 PM // 12:59

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Yeah, I'm curious.
So I went to take on some jades. ---What? Jades were nerfed? Well darn, guess I'll go farm the OTHER jades in the reed bog. What? Now those are nerfed too? Goddamnit. So I head over to the Gates of Kryta...??? Nerfed?!!! It went from most everything dropping at least SOMETHING to every monster dropping NOTHING?! I cleared out groups 20 at a time and I got like 3 items, most just mergoyle skulls or some crap. And I don't even remember them saying they were going to nerf that. So I then went and tried griffons. Damnit! Nerfed...

definately not nerfed dude or have you not heard of something called luck because i still get 1 gold every other run and just yesterday had 10 gold tactics shields i sold to noobs @ augury rock @ 1k each.....only sold 4 so i alvaged the rest got 110 steel and made nearly 20k off the material trader....the drops werent nerfed you just have /\/0013 luck

Alderman Sweet · Jul 14, 2005, 01:00 PM // 13:00

I've pretty much given up on ever being able to get 15k armor. That's not a tragedy, but it's a bit annoying to think that there is a huge divide now between the people who got rich before nerfing and the people who will always struggle to make money.

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

definately not nerfed dude or have you not heard of something called luck because i still get 1 gold every other run and just yesterday had 10 gold tactics shields i sold to noobs @ augury rock @ 1k each.....only sold 4 so i alvaged the rest got 110 steel and made nearly 20k off the material trader....the drops werent nerfed you just have /\/0013 luck

Yeah sorry buddy, I'm talking about today. Yesterday---no problem, today...what the hell? Yeah, not a decent drop from a griffon since the around the update.

Van the Warrior · Jul 14, 2005, 01:07 PM // 13:07

dude this was yesterday i was loot hunting there mowing griffons down left and right

Feli · Jul 14, 2005, 01:09 PM // 13:09

The problem is, we can't do a thing about this. We can complain and moan but it won't do any good. This is not the first nerfing in progress... and everytime we voiced our complains about this... yet more nerfing was done. And more... and more... and more... and a damn hell load of more.
I guess the people at Arena.net thinks of us just as a minority that is neglectable. Whereas it is normally the folks over at the board who are addicted to the game and are most likely to stay - if they are not neglected.

/edit:
And yeah, there are allways some masochists who like it this way. Harder, more painful, more boring... and then there are these people who are rich... and of course they want the nerfing too as it makes them even more rich.

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

dude this was yesterday i was loot hunting there mowing griffons down left and right

Wait a minute you didn't just wake up did you?

I'd forgotten that it's actually a new day. You see, I haven't slept since the update "yesterday".

All I know is I didn't get shit, and someone started a thread about not getting anything from them. That to me says...bad.

And my beloved gates of kryta is now gone too...*sniff*

Photeus · Jul 14, 2005, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Ok...I'd just like to say...what nerf?

The things I was soloing yesterday are still giving the same loot today. I averaged the same ammount from my usual run. I also took in two purples and one gold. Typical of my run...now if you mean farming as in the same area over and over...I rarely do that anymore...typically I'll just shift from one area to another.

Oh, and I typically solo the pack of griffons outside Augury rock...their loot is still the same. I'll try out the charr and see if their loot is any good. And I'll try the frost griffons too...but they didn't seem to give great stuff anyway.

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 01:39 PM // 13:39

I think a lot of people are missing the point of these threads we've got going. We aren't angry because we don't have the most 1337 ub3|2 weapons in the game, we're angry because we used to enjoy WORKING for something. See I personally have BEATEN the game...4 times. What the hell do I do now?

There is NOTHING else for me to do except PvP...which I don't find entertaining at all being that everything is so small scale and relatively meaningless/without reward, so I try to get what I can out of PvE now.

I need ONE more superior vigor to complete the rune set for my last character, I have a total of 4k having bought everything for 3 characters. What am I supposed to do now? I can't get enough money for that if I tried for hours on end. Am I supposed to just move to another game now? Should I really just have to say "Yeah ok GW is empty now" and move on? That's just...dumb. They put the more expensive optional items in there for people like me who need a more lasting appeal to the game, but if I have no hope of affording them...why bother?

That's why we want farming back, not because we want to be 1337 h4x0r5 but because without it the game is empty and finished, with no hopes of reaching the final goals otherwise there's no point to continue without it.

Creston · Jul 14, 2005, 02:23 PM // 14:23

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Yeah, I'm curious.

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Your thoughts? It wouldn't be so bad if like, there was a reason for why everything keeps getting nerfed, but I don't even remember half these things being in the updates.

Please remember though that, "Anet doesn't mind if you farm. Really, we don't, it's okay." (almost direct quote from Gaile).

But we WILL nerf it, so you'll have to grind LONGER.
Notice how they once said, "We will make it so that players can acquire items and gold over the course of normal play?"

Ofcourse, no real changes have been made to give you MORE items or money through the course of play, but there have been craploads of nerfs. Way to go Anet. In the meantime, your game is being botted to hell, BECAUSE OF ALL THESE IDIOT NERFS YOU KEEP PUTTING IN.
*shakes head*

Creston

Photeus · Jul 14, 2005, 02:26 PM // 14:26

In reply to the last post by PieXags above:

A) I thought the point of these threads was that people were angry that farming is being hampered upon by 1) making areas nearly impossible to solo or 2) making creatures not drop or drop as often.

B) Ok, if you enjoy working towards something, go back to farming. It wasn't nerfed. Someone had a bad drop day and decided the universe was against him.

C) About the Superior Vigor you need...I feel for you brother. I have never had a Superior Vigor rune...one dropped while I was grouped once and a friend of mine got it, back when they were worth 80k. As of 9:12am CST - Superior Vigor is worth approximately 32k right now at the rune trader. Also, I'd like to add that I made one run at Althea's Ashes area approximately 15 minutes ago. I took it slow, so it took me about 20 minutes (running from Grendich there, killing everything in my way) and I netted about 500 gold, 27 charr carvings, 8 charr hides, 20 wood, 10 stone, 10 cloth, 10 leather, on minor rune, 2 unlocked upgrades...that's about the total spoils of it. Yes, it'd take you 60 runs doing that to get your rune...but it's something to do. And it's rediculously easy. Besides, higher areas, like desert griffons give about 1k (in addition to superior grade items) in same period of time, but harder.

D) Farming hasn't gone anywhere...but they are trying to make it a grind for people to be super rich. Now, I'm not saying it's fair, especially with everyone who came before and is now super rich. And I'm not saying the system completely works. I have a lot of arguments with it all myself. But it's not impossible. And if you, and everyone else is as willing to work for it as you seem to be, you can still get what you need.

And in conclusion, I'd just like to say if there isn't enough to do...play another game for awhile. Show some loving to your loved ones. Hang out more with your friends. Wait for the summer expansion to be uploaded, then play your heart out.

Divinitys Creature · Jul 14, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Yeah, I'm curious.

You see, I've nothing left to do in the game but PvP...which to me is boring as hell and I'm entirely...not motivated at all to PvP in such small scale little trash battles in a game with so much more potential. So what do I do with my time? I get money, use money, try builds, and farm.

Trying builds is blown out for me because of attribute refunds, I can't have fun with testing all my builds because...all my PvE characters have to get an assload of xp just to get the refunds back. And now I've found my only source of money...is the UW/FoW, and even those drops seem to be more lacking...I almost lose money every time I enter unless some max dmg storm bow drops for me or something, other than that...just crap that I could get better stats on from the lost strongbox.

So today after I blew near all my last 200k on dye, new armors, and dishing it out to newbies...well I wanted to farm some more.

So I went to take on some jades. ---What? Jades were nerfed? Well darn, guess I'll go farm the OTHER jades in the reed bog. What? Now those are nerfed too? Goddamnit. So I head over to the Gates of Kryta...??? Nerfed?!!! It went from most everything dropping at least SOMETHING to every monster dropping NOTHING?! I cleared out groups 20 at a time and I got like 3 items, most just mergoyle skulls or some crap. And I don't even remember them saying they were going to nerf that. So I then went and tried griffons. Damnit! Nerfed...

Then I went back and massacred all the charr in Nolani for a few minutes...until I got that annoying little message telling me that if I killed the first few monsters in a place over and over againt their loot would turn to crap. *message disappears* ...no loot? But I just killed 'em! Damnit!

So then I went back to fishermans haven to farm the gold that randomly drops on the hill, I honestly thought this was just something the devs put in there for fun (like THE LOST STRONGBOX), but then I'm told that they're logging that info and that they're considering it an exploit to ban/suspend people who farm it? What the hell is this? Even stuff I thought was there for a reason like a nice little perk is now an exploit? Now FARMING is an exploit?! What the hell is going on?!

So now I've come to the conclusion that there are two types of people in the GW economy. Those who got rich quickly before every spot in the game was nerfed...and the poor, who can't make anymore money. I went to the UW and did about 7-10 smite runs the other day, came out with a few globs of crap and one ectoplasm. Woot...almost 10k...that's cool...I guess...just a shame I payed for a few of those runs myself so it was actually like...7k...or less...

Honestly, what the hell is this? Firstly does ANYONE see farming as an exploit? I mean you still have to kill the damn things and take time doing it, why nerf it? So we all remain poor for a good amount of time until we get insanely lucky in the UW/Fissure? Then we go and get...maybe 40k or something? Maybe? In like several days of trying?

Wonderful.

And the thing is, I actually used to ENJOY farming for gold, killing items, taking on groups of 20 mobs or something trying to stay alive knowing that I was working towards a goal, I enjoyed that. But day after day I find my farming spots totally wiped out.

To the point where if I was just a new guy going through Kryta for the first time I'd be pretty damn pissed that I couldn't even find a mid-range staff outside the gates...even after killing them an assload.

I'm just, dissapointed is all. Anyone who enjoys the tombs a lot will get money 'cause of sigils. Anyone who already had loads of money will continue to have loads of money ('til they spend it all like me

)...and then we'll all be poor.

Honestly, why the hell are they nerfing places in the first place?! So that the droknar runners can take over?! Right now the most profitable service/activity in the land of Tyria (PvE)...is running people to droknars for 3k each. And that to me, is bullshit.

Your thoughts? It wouldn't be so bad if like, there was a reason for why everything keeps getting nerfed, but I don't even remember half these things being in the updates.

You know I feel sorry for you, I really do. I never farmed for loot myself, because I just don't care about fissure armor and stuff like that but I understand your feelings. They are astonishingly familiar to feelings many of us PvPers have felt.

You enjoyed that utopia of farming that used to be, riverside farming, s/loads of sweet drops in chests, griffon farming, flesh golems, arid sea, all those great places where you got the phat lewt. It involved some work but the rewards came thick and fast and it was fun for you. Then it got nerfed and you have to grind forever to get the same rewards.

PvPers used to enjoy UAS. The rewarding dynamic, intellectually stimulating rush of competition with smart and always adapting opponents came thick and fast, it was a gaming utopia. Then came the grind, the skill point grind and from PvE only. After much campaining we have fixed many things and have faction, but still not equal to PvEs rate of more efficient grind for skill points. Ahh the grind. The amazing competitive utopia exists no more.

Yes, I know how much you must dislike grinding for something you want. I'm not being sarchastic, I'm serious. Also I do appreciate you have knowledge of PvP and you may have liked both. At least you realise the potential PvP has. Just highlighting the grind you have to go through

PieXags · Jul 14, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

Ah good, I like Photeus' manner of post, so I'll respond to it.

Being that I am the author of this thread, I'd say that I know why I made it 'eh? I created this thread because working towards my last few high-end goals I see is now near impossible for me. If I had to do 60 runs of Altheas Ashes (assuming that's killing everything along the way) that takes roughly 20 minutes, that's about 20 hours of the same run just to get the amount I need for a superior vigor, and that's only half of what the 60k armor is (not including materials), and the fissure armor is about 6 times that much if not more. As much as I'd love to spend 500 hours doing Althea's Ashes in order to get the last sets of 15k/superior vigor/weapon upgrades/fissure armor I'd have to say that that's....highly dissapointing. And it's not so much it's more just that...I haven't spent 500 hours in game TOTAL as of yet. I shouldn't have over double my current time in game, which has all been spent mastering my characters, ascending my characters, testing builds, etc...just to achieve these end-game goals to make it last longer for me 'eh?

And I know they're trying to make it a grind for people to be super rich, I don't want to be "super rich" compared to everyone else. I'll just tell you the main thing that pisses me off right now.

Right now a droknar rusher can make 20k in roughly 30 minutes rushing a full group to dorknar for 3-5k each which are the prices now. A couple of those runs and you've got your superior vigor.

I should not be bought out by droknar rushers in every aspect of the game, which is what it's at right now. Hell I could be rich too if I wanted to use my last valued slot on a W/Mo and rush people to droknars every day and make at least 50k...every single day. That's what some rushers are able to do now, and so long as people can make THAT sort of money so easily by doing something so (in my opinion wrong) it just tweaks me when I, who've completed the game and nearly exhausted every bit of it...when I'm still without a way to make good money, but some warrior's making constant gold for running from town to town.

They should at least make drops able to compete with that sort of thing.

And on the last bit of your statement: I'm not a rich man, Day of Defeat has been my primary game for years now, many many years at that. All of the Half-Life mods I've exhausted which is why I moved to this game, I've beaten Doom 3 8 times with different mods, Half-Life 2's also been beaten multiple times with different mods, NFSU has gone and glitched 'cause I've messed with all the models and skins so much

, and...well that's about all the games I have. I can't spend anymore money on games right now, going to buy a new video card soon as Nvidia/ATI releases their 512MB cards and then I'll problably hit up with the Doom 3 expansion/Battlefield 2, etc.

I am just getting burnt out on this I know, I KNOW. In 2 months I've played about 450 hours...I'm WAY burnt out on this game. So why do I spend so much time trying to put my opinions out there in these forums you ask? Because I love the idea the game represents, and I'd like to see it become as good as it can be, not just for me, but for all the players out there who may have a similar mind set. Not a whole lot else for me to do, been studyin' up on photoshop/computer arts recently...friends? You make it sound as if I speak with anyone other than my family or those here. I live in Iowa, buddy, as much as I enjoy listening to people talk about their corn I've got better things to do.

I...need...a drink. Really badly.

On another note...yeah I want my farming spots back dangit.

EDIT:

Oh, oh, after reading the post above this I need to say something else.

After having gotten this far in the game, I'm so burnt out I'm willing to try ANYTHING for some more motivation. Even...dare I say...UAX. By this point...I've tried and earned all the ones I want anyway, give me SOMETHING to do...please? This gigantic nerf to what I had left of PvE has made me turn to even believing in UAX...and anyone who knows ANYTHING about my past posts knows that before this I made every effort to post AGAINST UAX. Christ...give us whatever, I just need to have more fun with this game, it has so much potential that's not being utilized as of yet.

Evan montegarde · Jul 14, 2005, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Nerfs need to be done, but not on this scale. Like I said in another topic it's rediculous that you can open 4 chests and get better items then by killing twice the amount of drakes, or giants, or anything.

Truth is, there are 3 ways to make money now:

Find a really lucky very good drop, like a stormbow with +15%>50 hp or something.

Run people to Droknar's. Unfortunantly, there's only one class that can do with, which leaves the other 80% of GW's population out of luck.

Exploit, bot, cheat, whatever you want to call it. Make a macro that can kill charr all day while you do something else and you're set.

The richest people in the game now are either

a)People who farmed endlessly before the nerfing of nearly everything and the rune market crash

b)W/Mos who run to droknars

You may say, boo hoo, go back to Diablo (Which I never actually played), but how is newbie bob going to afford to buy consecutively better armor if he can't earn any money? Well, he's going to pay everything he has to get rushed to droknar's forge so he doesn't have to. He's only level 10 and he's set for the rest of the game, eh?

Van the Warrior · Jul 14, 2005, 03:26 PM // 15:26

posting this it is off my second griffon run today along with it i also looted a non max damage gold axe 4-26 with a 10/6 furious haft which i succesfully salvaged

Digitalblast · Jul 14, 2005, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Ive started my 4th character yesterday. I purposely didnt loot the barrels/treasures scattered around in fear they may ban me. I only took every other drop off mobs too.